I don't think anyone doubts the power of 1-DHEA when dosed properly. But the problem is, it leaves you feeling like you've been kicked in the balls with a bad case of the flu. Eric at Primordial Performance had to abandon it from the original AndroMass because no matter what ratio of 4-DHEA he included, he couldn't completely eradicate the lethargy and libido impairment it causes.