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LetsGo
Personally, I have felt the most noticable results from pine pollen tincture, by far. The regular pine pollen also gives me more noticable results than the other herbs. If you have a limited budget, I’d put the pine pollen tincture at the top of the list. Lost Empire also has some one-time discount codes you can find online, for like 20% off, but it’s better to use that for a large order since you can only use it once. And I’d order through CDsnuts’s affiliate link to help him out for everything he does, for free, to help guys in this situation. He could have kept his secret to himself instead of sharing it, and facing backlash from the PH forum. But he didn’t, and so I think it’s fair for him to get a cut of the small amount of money we spend on the herbs.
I consistently had bad reactions to Eluthero - I got extreme insomnia every time I took the recommended two doses. However, I'm extremely sensitive to stimulants. If I have a small coffee at 8 AM, I will be wide awake at 2:30 AM, wondering why I can’t fall asleep. If I have two cups of coffee, I feel a mild euphoric buzz for a few hours afterwards - yes, I literally get high on coffee. If you have normal sensitivity to stimulants like coffee then you should be fine with eluthero, but it’s a good idea to see if any of the herbs cause you problems like that.
The herb rotation, etc, led to noticable gains pretty quickly, and there were times when I felt cured for 3 - 10 days at a time. Other times, like now, are slump times. However, I think there’s an overall upward trend, and if you compare my slumps now to the ones before, there is still upward progress.
Reducing your stress and eating cleanly are necessary, but not sufficient. Same thing with sleep. You won’t get cured if you’re sleeping 4 hours a night, but getting 8 or 9 hours per night also won’t cure you. You have to be doing a whole bunch of things right, on an extended basis, and then you’ll make progress over time.
I would recommend saving money on whatever you can, or maybe picking up extra hours at work or doing a side gig for awhile, and prioritize saving up for the herbs you’ll need. You won’t get better over time without the herbs, in my opinion.
I’ve never taken DHEA or pregnenelone, or 5-keto DHT, but there are many, many stories on PH where people have searched for one magic bullet, and it has never worked. They have spent tens of thousands of hours trying different miracle cures, and best case scenario, they find something that helps for a few days and then it stops working. That may have been what you experienced. The CDsnuts protocol seems to result in a gradual upward shift, with peaks and valleys. So I would just stick with the protocol rather than experimenting with other things.