Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"
Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"
You’re in a weird stage right now where your body is trying to figure out what’s going on and things are off internally. That resulted in a lot of random bodily and neurological swings and changes, at least in my case. I still get big wrinkles under my eyes randomly for a week or so, or severely dry skin then I won’t notice as much in like a week or 2. It’s gonna be like that the entire time, you’re gonna fluctuate a lot.
Seriously, save yourself the hassle and stop stressing over shit like that, every time things switch up. Just keep on the straight and narrow, I’m telling you man it gets way better. Read through my thread if you want, I used to frequent the forum with all these questions about “is this normal” and all that, I should have just relaxed and let it fly, because I’m doing better now, 2 years later.
Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"
Well...the tongkat isn't estrogenic at all. It'll jack your T up which will then aromatise into estrogen. So if anything, that's the culprit. Tongkat is no joke. You can add in a natural AI along with it. Pine pollen, DIM, etc. (Neither of these are AI's by the way. I use a blanket term. They can both be used to flush excess estrogen from the system.
Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"
Man, I feel for you. The stage you’re in now is rough. But 2 years ago I said the same stuff, and I felt helpless. My life was a living hell. Just keep on pushing man, it’ll improve slowly. We’re talking like a couple years, so just chill and stick to what you’re doing and let yourself heal.
To answer you, yeah I felt like a bitch. Could not build muscle for the life of me, my muscles were like fat deposits and all squishy, face was fat, felt weak, it was like instead of building muscles I just produced more fat, no pumps in the gym, no feelings of masculinity, only anhedonia. Nobody talks about their symptoms really, I don’t. But I guarantee most guys on here are as bad as you. You’re in the early stages bud, time to relax and embrace the suck for a while.
Hey man I know we talk outside of here but I thought I'd bring some good vibes to your log.
I had everything you talk about. I started the protocol in March, but recrashed mid-april and then 2 weeks later. I felt like an asexual loser. Fastforward to the end of my 4th month on protocol, and I feel like myself, I feel confident and alpha around girls. I am also on my 40th day of no fap.
You have no idea how much progress I made in the last month. But you also have no idea how bad off I was 3 months ago. The point I'm trying to make is buckle up, because you don't know where you'll be in 3 months. A couple weeks ago you were reporting an upswing and saying 2 years on protocol will be easy if it stays this way. You can get back to that. Read my log and you'll see I was alternating between hope and despair non stop.
The protocol will heal us with time, but those downswings are nasty because each upswing leads you to believe we are out of the woods. One day you will hit a point where you will realize that you're still suffering, but that you made notable improvements that make you know that you will eventually recover. Just hustle to get there, and then live while things fix themselves in the background.
Much love
Every down swing will either break you or make you stronger in the end. Make sure you gear up for the latter. Make pain your friend in these trying times, grind through it. Don’t give up and its a promise you will be a damn super human when this shit is over. Acknowledge the bad times but celebrate the good moments as much as you can, as little or short they may be.
Just want to add, that i had a bad expierience with collagen as well. Never took it since then...