hmmm...
i have used hcg on my cycle consistently from week 2 and i have pretty significant atrophy... probably 40% smaller than usual.
hmmm...
i have used hcg on my cycle consistently from week 2 and i have pretty significant atrophy... probably 40% smaller than usual.
I haven't used hCG since September when I last used Deca. One of the things that I think has helped is that I run only moderate doses and my cycle is built around just testosterone. January 16th will be one full year and, during that time, I've been at 500mg for 5 months, 250mg for 4 months, 750mg for 6 weeks, and 375mg for 8 weeks (current dose). I've used two orals during this time: Epi (50mg for 50 days) and UD (16-20mg for 42 days). Deca was used collectively for 6 months in the year at 400mg for 3 months and 200mg for 3 months (joint support), Ace was 6 weeks at 50mg ED, and, now, 1T at 500mg.
Outside of the initial atrophy, there has not been additional atrophy since month two. There is not a date that I have in mind when I plan to fully come off, but there are two things that I'm anticipating to happen and either one would cause me to cease: acceptance into UT for my PhD (hook 'em, bitches) or totaling elite.
No need for immediate usage of hCG.
M. Ed. Ex Phys
Where the fuck are you getting this information? People get more and more irrational with anabolics by the day it seems. hCG's primary role has nothing to do with testicular atrophy; it's for HPTA health. You're not going to avoid atrophy with hCG. Your only hope is to minimize atrophy and your HPTA axis will not be markedly suppressed for several weeks if using long-estered AAS.
Depends on cycle dosages and compounds. 6 weeks of P or 12-14 weeks of E will not need hCG. A longer (16-20 weeks) cycle with multiple compounds is when, IMO, it should be utilized, but protocol is changing. The desensitization BS that you read with higher doses for 6-10 weeks is broscience.
Last edited by Rodja; 01-09-2013 at 08:03 AM.
M. Ed. Ex Phys
My cycle will be
Test E@500 for 14 weeks
Dbol@50 1-5
Var@50 10-16
HCG@350ui eod 2-16
Aromasin 12.5 ED
I'd lower the dose of dbol first as I highly doubt you need 50mg. I actually just had a conversation on Sunday about dbol and how dosing went from 20-30mg to 50mg in a span of a couple of years. You're on for 16 weeks and taking hCG for 15 of those weeks. Scally's recent protocols (granted, this is for fertility and failed PCT) is only the final 2-3 weeks prior to PCT of hCG.
M. Ed. Ex Phys