Here's some more info on the powder versus the tincture.
Pine Pollen Powder vs. Pine Pollen Tinctures
Basically as was stated earlier the tincture is more androgenic while the powder is more like a superfood (though it still has the hormonal benefits). I see the first as more directly boosting, and the other as balancing.
Hercules was mentioned. Some people don't like the niacin so we just recently came out with a different version without niacin. It also has half of the spartan formula in it (cordyceps and rhodiola) as well as shilajit, giving it a bit more of an endurance, and mental clarity feel to it.
I actually like mixing some of the herbs, like he shou wu, into my coffee.
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If the tincture (or even the powder) really does deliver bioavailable androgens into your system which then act as exogenous hormones, how could this not be supressive on your natural production?
I had this very same thought when I first started using this stuff. I don't really have an outright answer to the question but I can tell you that after months of use, I'm better off then I was when I started. It really seems to work WITH your body rather against it. I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that it's plant based.
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I'm definitely not being argumentative and I defer to your experience in the area, but anything that acts on our androgen receptors is kinda working with our body (in a way); but all androgen receptors, including the hypothalamus. It's one of those things where you can't have your cake and eat it too!
I highly agree that sublingual dosing some things can completely change absorption. Just recently tried noopept at 10 mg orally. Had some effect, nothing substantial. Tried 10 mg sublingual, world of difference. Haven't tried that with many herbs, maybe I need to though.
When I say work with our bodies, I'm meaning it does this in a way that doesn't cause shut down. How this works is beyond my scope of knowledge. I agree with you being skeptical, because I was too. But I can tell you from experience, and as stated in other posts of mine, this stuff does NOT shut you down.
Now, maybe if you're taking super high doses for months on end it may, but again, I really don't think it will. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the nature of the androgens and the fact that they're not synthetic. Plants have the ability to work with us in this way. They are the Yin to our Yang when it comes to living things.
I have no research articles to back this up besides my own knowledge and experience with herbs and the many years of using various plant based modalities. FYI
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I do the same thing. I hold it under my tongue for at least a minute before swallowing. And I chase it with Herb Pharm's stinging nettle liquid.
Over a week in and I feel like I'm on test. Could be placebo, I dunno. But I'll take it, whatever it is.
Pumps are killer, I'm horny all the time and I have good energy.
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