9 Week Trena + Mecha + AndroS cycle

[Scope75]

All those mornings I just wish I could vomit out all those Trenavars!!!! ....

..pays off

No joke your taking a grip load of pills a day.

[VayneZ]

ok question/advice from you wise nutritionists!

I haven't eat carbs basically since last Monday. Tomorrow I will be eating the greasiest cheat meal I can find... well maybe not the greasiest but something LOADED with carbs and bad fats!

I plan on going carbless the whole day, and eating my cheat meal either immediately ''Post Workout right away''!! or drink a pure protein shake with Coconut oil post workout, and about 2 hours later have my BIG calorie'd cheat meal!

Which one would be better? Plan A or Plan B? and please state the reason of your answer!

[Scope75]

Plan A is the way I'd do it, but I'd add a shower before the meal so you can just chill out after.

[Sorrow]

I'd say plan B. The shake post workout would give something for your body to digest prior to the massive carb influx. I'm thinking that might help regulate the uptake a bit.

[markam]

Plan C. Eat a mega carb meal with really low fats. Just what I'd do. High carbs and high fats = disaster. Massive insulin response and bad fats looking for a new home; your body

Have you read Lyle McDonald's Ultimate diet v2? Low to really low carbs in the week and high carb low fats for a day or two at the weekend. OK, maybe what I'm suggesting goes against the traditional cheat meal concept, but I believe you'll have much better results.

If you really have to combine high fats and carbs, DCP and Slin-sane by Genomyx are very good at limiting damage.

[Scope75]

Yes like markam said make it a high carb meal not high carb and hi bad fat meal.
Your body will thank you.

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Slin-Sane, gut health, and recompadrol are all in my bag for my Vegas trip.

[VayneZ]

I'd say plan B. The shake post workout would give something for your body to digest prior to the massive carb influx. I'm thinking that might help regulate the uptake a bit.

I was also thinking something similar, especially when I read Eric's post of how to stimulate amino acids uptake:

quote:
''Keeping post-exercise carbohydrate consumption low can prolong the nutrient uptake window created from training (via increased insulin sensitivity). (1) This is because training increases the muscle cells demand for nutrients, including amino acids, for repair and sugars to replace muscle glycogen.''

And I've been doing HIGH Carb post workout shakes for a year, didn't really gave me the same results I'm seeing right now. And I KNOW that the PH's are not the only reasons I'm seeing these amazing results.

Plan C. Eat a mega carb meal with really low fats. Just what I'd do. High carbs and high fats = disaster. Massive insulin response and bad fats looking for a new home; your body

Have you read Lyle McDonald's Ultimate diet v2? Low to really low carbs in the week and high carb low fats for a day or two at the weekend. OK, maybe what I'm suggesting goes against the traditional cheat meal concept, but I believe you'll have much better results.

If you really have to combine high fats and carbs, DCP and Slin-sane by Genomyx are very good at limiting damage.

This makes sense! And dude, at this mental point I am right now... taste? tradition? satisfying cravings? those things are definitely NOT important right now! If I can see a killer looking body when I flex in the mirror Post PCT, THEN I am happy

What would be a few examples of a good high carb and not so high fatted meal?

Yes like markam said make it a high carb meal not high carb and hi bad fat meal.
Your body will thank you.

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Slin-Sane, gut health, and recompadrol are all in my bag for my Vegas trip.

All I have right now is DCP... which I was actually saving for Post PCT during a cutting cycle I have in mind. But it would not hurt to use it if it's just for one day a week! What dosage would be a good idea for a cheat meal? And take it right with the Cheat Meal or maybe 30 minutes before or so?

[markam]

According to Genomyx, DCP forty five minutes before a meal is optimum, but 30 minutes is ok. Slin-sane is were it's at for carbs, though, 15-20 minutes before meal. Slin-sane v1 take 2 caps before a really high carb meal, Slin-sane v2 take 1 cap.

If you can keep the carbs really low and do a high rep workout to deplete any glycogen, then have your high carb meal. Oats sweet potatoes, low fat biscuits, sugary breakfast cereal, just minimum fats. If your body has been burning fat for energy for the previous five days, it won't switch back to burning glucose immediately, so it will continue trying to use fat for energy, while (hopefully) your body will use the carbs for glycogen. Lyle McDonald explains all this in his 'Ultimate Diet v2' ebook. Good luck!

Maybe double dose before this meal (4 caps with plenty of water).

[VayneZ]

According to Genomyx, DCP forty five minutes before a meal is optimum, but 30 minutes is ok. Slin-sane is were it's at for carbs, though, 15-20 minutes before meal. Slin-sane v1 take 2 caps before a really high carb meal, Slin-sane v2 take 1 cap.

If you can keep the carbs really low and do a high rep workout to deplete any glycogen, then have your high carb meal. Oats sweet potatoes, low fat biscuits, sugary breakfast cereal, just minimum fats. If your body has been burning fat for energy for the previous five days, it won't switch back to burning glucose immediately, so it will continue trying to use fat for energy, while (hopefully) your body will use the carbs for glycogen. Lyle McDonald explains all this in his 'Ultimate Diet v2' ebook. Good luck!

Maybe double dose before this meal (4 caps with plenty of water).

h2s was mentioning a few great this from UD v2... I think it's time I start making time to check it out!

Decisions Decisions, 2 toasted bread with 2 cups of Oatmeal and maybe a can of tuna for protein or a large meatlover cheesy crust pizza from Pizza Hut
I'll be thinking about this lol

[markam]

One of my fave carb cheats.